Kriget fortsätter – FOTA-stallen inte anmälda till 2010?

Just som man började göra sig redo för Tysklands Grand Prix och kunde glädjas åt att racingen åter var i fokus så har FIA-FOTA-kriget vaknat till liv igen. Lite oväntat, men efter ett möte de hade igår publicerades följande två pressmeddelanden.

Hänger inte helt med i svängarna här, men från FIAs sida menar man att FOTA-stallen inte är anmälda till nästa säsong och därför inte får delta genom att rösta på mötena de har.. och när FOTA ville få klarhet i det hela, men fick nej, så lämnade de helt enkelt mötet. Vilken soppa;

Press Release
2010 FIA FORMULA ONE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP
08.07.2009

Following the decision of the World Council on 24 June to revert to the pre-29 April version of the 2010 F1 Sporting and Technical Regulations, the FIA today met the teams which have entered the 2010 Championship to seek their agreement to these changes.

All changes have now been agreed subject only to the maintenance of the minimum weight at 620 kg and the signing of a legally binding agreement between all the teams competing in 2010 to reduce costs to the level of the early 1990s within two years, as promised by the FOTA representative in Paris on 24 June.

The eight FOTA teams were invited to attend the meeting to discuss their further proposals for 2010. Unfortunately no discussion was possible because FOTA walked out of the meeting.

Från FIA. Och här är svar från FOTA;

PRESS RELEASE

8 July 2009

Representatives of all FOTA teams attended a meeting of the Sporting Working Group at the Nürburgring today.

During the course of this meeting, the team managers were informed by Mr Charlie Whiting of the FIA that, contrary to previous agreements, the eight FOTA teams are not currently entered into the 2010 FIA Formula One World Championship and have no voting rights in relation to the technical and sporting regulations thereof.

It will be remembered that all eight active FOTA members were included on the “accepted” entry list as endorsed by the FIA World Motor Sport Council (WMSC) and communicated by FIA press statement on June 24.

In light of these claims, the FOTA representatives requested a postponement of today’s meetings. This was rejected on the grounds that no new Concorde Agreement would be permitted before a unanimous approval of the 2010 regulations was achieved.

However, it is clear to the FOTA teams that the basis of the 2010 technical and sporting regulations was already established in Paris.

As endorsed by the WMSC and clearly stated in the FIA press statement of 24 June “the rules for 2010 onwards will be the 2009 regulations as well as further regulations agreed prior to 29 April 2009”. At no point in the Paris discussions was any requirement for unanimous agreement on regulations change expressed. To subsequently go against the will of the WMSC and the detail of the Paris agreement puts the future of Formula 1 in jeopardy.

As a result of these statements, the FOTA representatives at the subsequent Technical Working Group were not able to exercise their rights and therefore had no option other than to terminate their participation.

The FOTA members undertook the Paris agreement and the subsequent discussions in good faith and with a desire to engage with all new and existing teams on the future of Formula One.

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  1. Wag the dog

    Det blev väl för mycket övermod från FOTA enligt FIAs sätt att se det! NU slår dom tillbaka för att visa vem som bestämmer.

    För i helv… Starta en ny serie nu!!!

  2. Sebastian

    Inte helt lätt att hitta rätt pressrelease hos FIA, men

    “The World Motor Sport Council met in Paris on 24 June 2009. The following decisions were taken:”
    http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/pressreleases/wmsc/2009/Pages/wmsc_240609.aspx

    “The following teams have been accepted for the 2010 FIA Formula One World Championship…” inkluderar alla i FOTA

    “In view of this new agreement and with the prospect of a stable future for Formula One, FIA President Max Mosley has confirmed his decision not to stand for re-election in October this year.” apropå att Mad Maxxx blev så upphetsad…

    Att Mad Maxxx och hans marionetter visar sådan brist på respekt för sina egna demokratiska institutioner (glöm inte vilka stora ord han använder när han påpekar hur FOTA inte ska ha synpunkter på det “demokratiska” valet av president för FIA).

    Bernie Boy borde oroa sig mer för sin galne vän än att sitta och lovprisa genuint sjuka diktatorer som redan bevisat sin egen galenskap genom att skjuta sitt (adopterade) hemland i sank.

  3. M

    Pengar och politk = makt Så länge dessa finns så kommer F1 alltid att göras upp utanför banan istället för på banan.
    Hur länge orkar fansen vänta på en lösning och att FIA och FOTA ska visa varandra musklerna hela tiden, dom flesta fansen vill nog se racing på banan och att det avgörs där.
    FIA borde lyssna på stallen det är ändå dom som bygger bilarna och kastar ut flera miljoner varje år.
    Stallen borde även lyssna på FIA men så länge det finns giriga gamla gubbar som styr och har stannat kvar på 90-talet så är det inte så konstigt att det krockar med varandra.

  4. man blir trött ja, det här är ju larvigt. nytt pressmeddelande från fia som heter setting the record straight.. organisationer som fia som leker krig via nätet och genom pressmeddelanden? nej.. här krävs nytt folk i ledningen och lite reformer på hur man sköter sitt arbete och behåller respekten;

    Setting the Record Straight

    Before FOTA’s decision to walk out of yesterday’s Technical Working Group meeting, the President of the FIA wrote twice to the President of FOTA to remind him that any amendments to the 2010 FIA Formula One World Championship regulations were subject to the unanimous approval of the five teams that had already entered for next season under the rules as published.

    This is because of the International Sporting Code and also because the entered teams have a contract with the FIA which not even the General Assembly or the World Council can abrogate. Anyone with an elementary knowledge of motor sport governance knows this. Imagine the uproar if, after the FOTA teams had entered, the World Council were subsequently to change the rules without asking them.

    It follows that the agreement of the five teams currently entered in the 2010 World Championship to all 2010 rule changes is required. To suggest that FOTA were only made aware of this during the meetings of yesterday is quite simply untrue. So is the implicit claim that they were all unaware of one of motor sport’s basic principles.

    As things stand, the current members of the F1 Technical and Sporting Working Groups, in relation to 2010 are the teams which have entered the 2010 Championship. However the 8 FOTA teams were invited to the meetings in order that all 13 teams could agree the 2010 Sporting and Technical Regulations which would then be the so-called ‘stable regulations’ in a new Concorde Agreement. The SWG took place in the morning on this basis and much progress was made. However in the afternoon the FOTA teams walked out of the TWG. Nevertheless the five entered teams were able to confirm the changes agreed by the World Council in Paris on 24 June, as announced yesterday.

    It has always been the FIA’s understanding that the FOTA teams wanted a Concorde Agreement in place before entering the 2010 Championship. Once entered, the FOTA teams could no longer threaten a breakaway because of the contractual position mentioned above.

    The basis for the FIA agreeing to drop plans for a cost cap was the proposal prepared by the Williams team over the Silverstone weekend which would allow an agreed reduction of expenditure to the level of the early 1990s by the end of 2011 to be dealt with by the teams themselves. This reduction was agreed by FOTA and confirmed by them in Paris on 24 June. This would be a private, legally-enforceable contract involving all the teams, but not the FIA. The FIA confirmed in Paris that once this agreement is in place, the cost cap provisions can be removed from the 2010 Sporting Regulations.

    The deal that the FIA reached with FOTA in Paris was to extend the 1998 Concorde Agreement with some minor amendments to the governance section. This would have put in place an F1 Commission to deal with future rules with any major question going to the FIA Senate.

    However, on 25 June, instead of the 1998 Agreement with some minor amendments, the FIA received 350 pages of a completely new Concorde Agreement.

    It being wholly impractical to involve the Senate in such detailed negotiations, the contract was handed over to FIA lawyers, who worked on it tirelessly over the weekend 27-28 June and gave comments during a three-hour conference call on Monday 29 June. Then the 350 pages of 25 June turned out not to be the final FOTA/FOA version and elements of a new version appeared, partly on 2 July, partly on 3 July.

    Again, FIA lawyers worked over the weekend on 4-5 July, as did FIA President Max Mosley and FIA Deputy President (sport) Nick Craw. Further comments were then given on a three and a half hour lawyers’ call on Monday 6 July and again in a conference call yesterday, 8 July, following the circulation of further drafts. Further significant progress was made yesterday evening in yet another conference call.

    At present it seems probable that a final draft of the 2009 Concorde Agreement will be agreed and ready for signature in the coming days.

  5. Lisa

    Oändligt larvigt. Fattar inte vad det ska tjäna till utom att litet skolmästaraktigt läxa upp FOTA. Typisk Max-stil.

    1. Att först publicera en lista på alla accepterade team för 2010, en lista som inkluderar hela FOTA -> juste och bra, alla är nöjda.

    2. Sen plötsligt hävda: “It has always been the FIA’s understanding that the FOTA teams wanted a Concorde Agreement in place before entering the 2010 Championship. Once entered, the FOTA teams could no longer threaten a breakaway because of the contractual position mentioned above”. -> översättning: “Åh, vi trodde att ni fortfarande ville hålla alla dörrar öppna för er nya serie, inte fattade vi att ni menade ALLVAR med överenskommelsen att delta 2010…”

    Alltihop är bara ett tjuvnyp åt FOTA för de hotat med att starta en egen serie, och egentligen borde man garva åt eländet, så barnsligt är det.

    Tyvärr går mycket värdefull tid förlorad på FIA-tjafs, tid som borde användas för att förbereda en bra säsong 2010 i stället.

  6. David

    Max är FIA svar på Nordkoreas Kim. Lika galna av total makt båda två. Lika kompromisslösa och lika stort behov att gräva ned sig själva.

    • Lisa

      Klart det inte är roligare. Men om det inte löser sig på ett bra sätt blir det ingen silly season eller träning att skvallra om överhuvudtaget, så dessvärre får vi nog dras med det tills Max tvingas ge sig (igen, hur f-n det nu ska gå till) eller det blir en utbrytarserie… 🙁

  7. Olag

    http://www.aftonbladet.se/sportbladet/motor/formel1/article5478461.ab

    Ha ha när man läser detta undrar man om han inte borde tänka efter själv.

    “I helgen gav F1-gurun Bernie Ecclestone en intervju i brittiska The Times där han hyllade den förre tyske diktatorn Adolf Hitler som styrde landet inför och under det Andra världskriget.

    – Det kanske är fruktansvärt att säga. Men på många sätt var Hitler bra på det sättet att han kunde styra folk, och han var bra på få saker gjorda. Mot slutet kom han vilse, antingen vilseleddes så hade han den (agendan), så han var inte en väldigt bra diktator, sade F1-gurun till The Times.”

    Vem e vilse av dom??

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